"Please Take My Advice, Don't Listen to Me"

Date: Tue, 18 Jan 1994 15:03:37 -0500 (EST)
From: Thrasher
Subject: Re: Demographics
To: rust@death.Corp.Sun.COM

I must say this is one of the more interesting threads RUST has come up with since I signed on. Certainly the most personal. But I think this is what makes Neil such a great artist: his music touches folks in a unique and deeply personal way.

Unlike a lot of popular music today which lacks true emotion, Neil's music is full of richness, beauty, emotion and feeling. Although some folks find Harvest Moon's "Such a Woman" to be a little corny, can anyone tell me of any other artist who could perform such a personal song about their wife and/or lover and not be laughed out of town? Not to trash the music giants of the 90's like Pearl Jam or Nirvana (which I like), but their music, while highly energetic and spirited, lacks the true depth of an artist making music from the soul.

But I digress. As for demographics, I'm at the end of the boom - 1960. I had my start with Neil with 4 Way St. which was my first album purchase. Hard to believe that today it is not very highly regarded since everyone seemed to have it and play it at the time of its release. First time I saw Neil was with CSNY in '74 at Foreman Field, Norfolk, VA. It was my first concert and I was 13 years old. Pretty unforgettable at such an impressionable age. Huge outdoor stadium concert and it was 95 degrees out. People taking off their clothes and groovin to CSNY. Way far out. My first encounter with combustibles, also. And I'll never forget Neil playing Ohio and everyone in the crowd singing "4 dead in Ohio" and realizing that the song was about Kent State.

So I've been keeping up with Neil ever since. The next greatest show I saw was the Rust Never Sleeps tour at William & Mary College in Williamsburg, Virginia on October 7, 1978 (Set List). A brilliantly executed concept show, right down to the Woodstock stage announcements. Many folks (not just Neil fans) consider this tour to be one of the greatest of all time. Certainly the loudest concert I've ever attended - ears rang for days afterward.

Like many, sort of dropped off the Neil band wagon during early eighties during the TRANS/Everybody's Rockin/etc. detours. However, I came back to Neil's music during some unusual personal circumstances. Had one of those crash and burn breakups with a girlfriend and was really down. Went through a period of listening to Tonight's the Night at loud volumes and drinking heavily. I hadn't played TTN in years, but for some perverse reason, TTN would cheer me up. Probably because I thought, now here's someone who's even more bummed out and miserable than I am. Anyway after repeated listenings at 2 am while consuming mass quantities of Cuervo Gold Tequila I slowly branched back out into all of Neil's other albums.

Now, when I hear TTN, I sort of get transported back to that rough period of my life and recall its rejuvenating powers. It is sort of a revelation to play 10 or so of Neil's albums back to back and re-discover how uniquely different so much of his music is. Which is the primary reason why I enjoy Neil's music: the only thing that is consistent is his inconsistency. Keeping his music fresh and different, yet nearly always drawing on such basic emotional themes as love found and love lost, Neil's music is viable, vital and practically timeless.

"This means nothing to you. You don't know these people."
TTN liner notes

The Thrasher

"But me I'm not stopping there, got my own row left to hoe
Just another line in the field of time
When the Thrasher comes and I'm stuck in the sun like dinosaurs in shrines
Then I'll know the time has come to give what's mine."


Matthew 3:11-12 "As for me, I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. "His winnowing fork is in His hand, and He will thoroughly clear His threshing floor; and He will gather His wheat into the barn, but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire."
Luke 3:16-17 John answered and said to them all, "As for me, I baptize you with water; but One is coming who is mightier than I, and I am not fit to untie the thong of His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire. "His winnowing fork is in His hand to thoroughly clear His threshing floor, and to gather the wheat into His barn; but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire." Genesis 8:22 "While the earth remains, Seedtime and harvest, And cold and heat, And summer and winter, And day and night Shall not cease." Matthew 9:37 Verse Concepts Then He said to His disciples, "The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few. 2 Corinthians 9:10 Verse Concepts Now He who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will supply and multiply your seed for sowing and increase the harvest of your righteousness; Leviticus 26:5 Verse Concepts 'Indeed, your threshing will last for you until grape gathering, and grape gathering will last until sowing time You will thus eat your food to the full and live securely in your land. Psalm 67:6 Verse Concepts The earth has yielded its produce; God, our God, blesses us. Psalm 85:12 Verse Concepts Indeed, the LORD will give what is good, And our land will yield its produce. Psalm 107:37 Verse Concepts And sow fields and plant vineyards, And gather a fruitful harvest. Isaiah 62:8-9 Verse Concepts The LORD has sworn by His right hand and by His strong arm, "I will never again give your grain as food for your enemies; Nor will foreigners drink your new wine for which you have labored." But those who garner it will eat it and praise the LORD; And those who gather it will drink it in the courts of My sanctuary. Jeremiah 5:24 Verse Concepts 'They do not say in their heart, "Let us now fear the LORD our God, Who gives rain in its season, Both the autumn rain and the spring rain, Who keeps for us The appointed weeks of the harvest." Exodus 23:10-11 Verse Concepts "You shall sow your land for six years and gather in its yield, but on the seventh year you shall let it rest and lie fallow, so that the needy of your people may eat; and whatever they leave the beast of the field may eat. You are to do the same with your vineyard and your olive grove. Exodus 34:21 Verse Concepts "You shall work six days, but on the seventh day you shall rest; even during plowing time and harvest you shall rest. Leviticus 19:9 Verse Concepts 'Now when you reap the harvest of your land, you shall not reap to the very corners of your field, nor shall you gather the gleanings of your harvest. Leviticus 23:22 Verse Concepts 'When you reap the harvest of your land, moreover, you shall not reap to the very corners of your field nor gather the gleaning of your harvest; you are to leave them for the needy and the alien. I am the LORD your God.'" Leviticus 25:4-5 but during the seventh year the land shall have a sabbath rest, a sabbath to the LORD; you shall not sow your field nor prune your vineyard. 'Your harvest's aftergrowth you shall not reap, and your grapes of untrimmed vines you shall not gather; the land shall have a sabbatical year. Numbers 18:12-13 "All the best of the fresh oil and all the best of the fresh wine and of the grain, the first fruits of those which they give to the LORD, I give them to you. "The first ripe fruits of all that is in their land, which they bring to the LORD, shall be yours; everyone of your household who is clean may eat it. Deuteronomy 24:19-21 Verse Concepts "When you reap your harvest in your field and have forgotten a sheaf in the field, you shall not go back to get it; it shall be for the alien, for the orphan, and for the widow, in order that the LORD your God may bless you in all the work of your hands. "When you beat your olive tree, you shall not go over the boughs again; it shall be for the alien, for the orphan, and for the widow. "When you gather the grapes of your vineyard, you shall not go over it again; it shall be for the alien, for the orphan, and for the widow. Exodus 23:16 Verse Concepts "Also you shall observe the Feast of the Harvest of the first fruits of your labors from what you sow in the field; also the Feast of the Ingathering at the end of the year when you gather in the fruit of your labors from the field. Exodus 34:22 Verse Concepts "You shall celebrate the Feast of Weeks, that is, the first fruits of the wheat harvest, and the Feast of Ingathering at the turn of the year. Leviticus 23:10-16 "Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them, 'When you enter the land which I am going to give to you and reap its harvest, then you shall bring in the sheaf of the first fruits of your harvest to the priest. 'He shall wave the sheaf before the LORD for you to be accepted; on the day after the sabbath the priest shall wave it. 'Now on the day when you wave the sheaf, you shall offer a male lamb one year old without defect for a burnt offering to the LORD. read more. Deuteronomy 16:13-15 Verse Concepts "You shall celebrate the Feast of Booths seven days after you have gathered in from your threshing floor and your wine vat; and you shall rejoice in your feast, you and your son and your daughter and your male and female servants and the Levite and the stranger and the orphan and the widow who are in your towns. "Seven days you shall celebrate a feast to the LORD your God in the place which the LORD chooses, because the LORD your God will bless you in all your produce and in all the work of your hands, so that you will be altogether joyful. Ruth 1:22 Verse Concepts So Naomi returned, and with her Ruth the Moabitess, her daughter-in-law, who returned from the land of Moab. And they came to Bethlehem at the beginning of barley harvest. Joshua 3:15 Verse Concepts and when those who carried the ark came into the Jordan, and the feet of the priests carrying the ark were dipped in the edge of the water (for the Jordan overflows all its banks all the days of harvest), Judges 15:1 Verse Concepts But after a while, in the time of wheat harvest, Samson visited his wife with a young goat, and said, "I will go in to my wife in her room." But her father did not let him enter. 1 Samuel 6:13 Verse Concepts Now the people of Beth-shemesh were reaping their wheat harvest in the valley, and they raised their eyes and saw the ark and were glad to see it. 1 Samuel 12:17 "Is it not the wheat harvest today? I will call to the LORD, that He may send thunder and rain Then you will know and see that your wickedness is great which you have done in the sight of the LORD by asking for yourselves a king." 2 Samuel 21:9-10 Verse Concepts Then he gave them into the hands of the Gibeonites, and they hanged them in the mountain before the LORD, so that the seven of them fell together; and they were put to death in the first days of harvest at the beginning of barley harvest. And Rizpah the daughter of Aiah took sackcloth and spread it for herself on the rock, from the beginning of harvest until it rained on them from the sky; and she allowed neither the birds of the sky to rest on them by day nor the beasts of the field by night. 2 Samuel 23:13 Verse Concepts Then three of the thirty chief men went down and came to David in the harvest time to the cave of Adullam, while the troop of the Philistines was camping in the valley of Rephaim. Jeremiah 8:20 Verse Concepts "Harvest is past, summer is ended, And we are not saved." Isaiah 9:3 Verse Concepts You shall multiply the nation, You shall increase their gladness; They will be glad in Your presence As with the gladness of harvest, As men rejoice when they divide the spoil. Psalm 126:5-6 Verse Concepts Those who sow in tears shall reap with joyful shouting. He who goes to and fro weeping, carrying his bag of seed, Shall indeed come again with a shout of joy, bringing his sheaves with him. Isaiah 16:9 Verse Concepts Therefore I will weep bitterly for Jazer, for the vine of Sibmah; I will drench you with my tears, O Heshbon and Elealeh; For the shouting over your summer fruits and your harvest has fallen away. Proverbs 10:5 Verse Concepts He who gathers in summer is a son who acts wisely, But he who sleeps in harvest is a son who acts shamefully. Proverbs 14:4 Verse Concepts Where no oxen are, the manger is clean, But much revenue comes by the strength of the ox. Proverbs 20:4 Verse Concepts The sluggard does not plow after the autumn, So he begs during the harvest and has nothing. Jeremiah 12:13 Verse Concepts "They have sown wheat and have reaped thorns, They have strained themselves to no profit But be ashamed of your harvest Because of the fierce anger of the LORD." Isaiah 17:10-11 Verse Concepts For you have forgotten the God of your salvation And have not remembered the rock of your refuge. Therefore you plant delightful plants And set them with vine slips of a strange god. In the day that you plant it you carefully fence it in, And in the morning you bring your seed to blossom; But the harvest will be a heap In a day of sickliness and incurable pain. Isaiah 32:10 Verse Concepts Within a year and a few days You will be troubled, O complacent daughters; For the vintage is ended, And the fruit gathering will not come. Jeremiah 8:13 Verse Concepts "I will surely snatch them away," declares the LORD; "There will be no grapes on the vine And no figs on the fig tree, And the leaf will wither; And what I have given them will pass away."'" Joel 1:11 Verse Concepts Be ashamed, O farmers, Wail, O vinedressers, For the wheat and the barley; Because the harvest of the field is destroyed. Amos 4:7 Verse Concepts "Furthermore, I withheld the rain from you While there were still three months until harvest Then I would send rain on one city And on another city I would not send rain; One part would be rained on, While the part not rained on would dry up. Micah 6:15 Verse Concepts "You will sow but you will not reap You will tread the olive but will not anoint yourself with oil; And the grapes, but you will not drink wine. Haggai 1:6 Verse Concepts "You have sown much, but harvest little; you eat, but there is not enough to be satisfied; you drink, but there is not enough to become drunk; you put on clothing, but no one is warm enough; and he who earns, earns wages to put into a purse with holes." Jeremiah 5:17 Verse Concepts "They will devour your harvest and your food; They will devour your sons and your daughters; They will devour your flocks and your herds; They will devour your vines and your fig trees; They will demolish with the sword your fortified cities in which you trust. Nehemiah 9:37 Verse Concepts "Its abundant produce is for the kings Whom You have set over us because of our sins; They also rule over our bodies And over our cattle as they please, So we are in great distress. Job 5:5 Verse Concepts "His harvest the hungry devour And take it to a place of thorns, And the schemer is eager for their wealth. Job 31:12 Verse Concepts "For it would be fire that consumes to Abaddon, And would uproot all my increase. Joel 3:13 Verse Concepts Put in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe Come, tread, for the wine press is full; The vats overflow, for their wickedness is great. Matthew 9:37-38 Verse Concepts Then He said to His disciples, "The harvest is plentiful, but the workers are few. "Therefore beseech the Lord of the harvest to send out workers into His harvest." Galatians 6:9 Verse Concepts Let us not lose heart in doing good, for in due time we will reap if we do not grow weary. Revelation 14:15-16 And another angel came out of the temple, crying out with a loud voice to Him who sat on the cloud, "Put in your sickle and reap, for the hour to reap has come, because the harvest of the earth is ripe." Then He who sat on the cloud swung His sickle over the earth, and the earth was reaped. Proverbs 18:20 Verse Concepts With the fruit of a man's mouth his stomach will be satisfied; He will be satisfied with the product of his lips. Proverbs 25:13 Verse Concepts Like the cold of snow in the time of harvest Is a faithful messenger to those who send him, For he refreshes the soul of his masters. Proverbs 26:1 Verse Concepts Like snow in summer and like rain in harvest, So honor is not fitting for a fool. Isaiah 17:5 Verse Concepts It will be even like the reaper gathering the standing grain, As his arm harvests the ears, Or it will be like one gleaning ears of grain In the valley of Rephaim. Isaiah 18:4-5 For thus the LORD has told me, "I will look from My dwelling place quietly Like dazzling heat in the sunshine, Like a cloud of dew in the heat of harvest." For before the harvest, as soon as the bud blossoms And the flower becomes a ripening grape, Then He will cut off the sprigs with pruning knives And remove and cut away the spreading branches. Isaiah 24:13 Verse Concepts For thus it will be in the midst of the earth among the peoples, As the shaking of an olive tree, As the gleanings when the grape harvest is over. Isaiah 28:4 Verse Concepts And the fading flower of its glorious beauty, Which is at the head of the fertile valley, Will be like the first-ripe fig prior to summer, Which one sees, And as soon as it is in his hand, He swallows it. Isaiah 33:4 Verse Concepts Your spoil is gathered as the caterpillar gathers; As locusts rushing about men rush about on it. Jeremiah 2:3 Verse Concepts "Israel was holy to the LORD, The first of His harvest All who ate of it became guilty; Evil came upon them," declares the LORD.'" Jeremiah 51:33 Verse Concepts For thus says the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel: "The daughter of Babylon is like a threshing floor At the time it is stamped firm; Yet in a little while the time of harvest will come for her." Hosea 6:11 Verse Concepts Also, O Judah, there is a harvest appointed for you, When I restore the fortunes of My people. Matthew 13:30 Verse Concepts 'Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn."'" Mark 4:29 Verse Concepts "But when the crop permits, he immediately puts in the sickle, because the harvest has come." Mark 12:1-9 Verse Concepts And He began to speak to them in parables: "A man PLANTED A VINEYARD AND PUT A WALL AROUND IT, AND DUG A VAT UNDER THE WINE PRESS AND BUILT A TOWER, and rented it out to vine-growers and went on a journey. "At the harvest time he sent a slave to the vine-growers, in order to receive some of the produce of the vineyard from the vine-growers. "They took him, and beat him and sent him away empty-handed. read more. Luke 10:2 Verse Concepts And He was saying to them, "The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few; therefore beseech the Lord of the harvest to send out laborers into His harvest. John 4:35-36 Verse Concepts "Do you not say, 'There are yet four months, and then comes the harvest'? Behold, I say to you, lift up your eyes and look on the fields, that they are white for harvest. "Already he who reaps is receiving wages and is gathering fruit for life eternal; so that he who sows and he who reaps may rejoice together. Romans 1:13 Verse Concepts I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that often I have planned to come to you (and have been prevented so far) so that I may obtain some fruit among you also, even as among the rest of the Gentiles. 1 Corinthians 9:10-11 Or is He speaking altogether for our sake? Yes, for our sake it was written, because the plowman ought to plow in hope, and the thresher to thresh in hope of sharing the crops. If we sowed spiritual things in you, is it too much if we reap material things from you? Hebrews 12:11 Verse Concepts All discipline for the moment seems not to be joyful, but sorrowful; yet to those who have been trained by it, afterwards it yields the peaceful fruit of righteousness. James 3:18 Verse Concepts And the seed whose fruit is righteousness is sown in peace by those who make peace. Thrasher