Archives Open Thread: Wednesday, 6/3/09
Here's today's daily open thread on the Neil Young Archives where you can post thoughts and questions.
Archives Guy seems to be checking in on occasion as time permits. But if you know the answer to folks' questions, please try and help out, to free up AG to focus on newer issues.
As we've noted, an Archives FAQ is in the works. In the meantime -- as always -- see Everything You've Ever Wanted To Know About The Neil Young Archives But Were Afraid To Ask.
by thrasher@PermaLink: 6/03/2009 08:09:00 AM
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Folks,
Just a friendly reminder regarding Archives Guy.
Please remember that he is a technical production engineer type.
He is not in the marketing, customer service, shipping & handling dept.
Many issues are completely out of his hands.
With that said, feel free to air concerns but try not direct them to AG for resolution.
He is here primarily to handle issues around playback and enjoyment of the Archives.
Ok, back to listening to the Riverboat. ahhh....
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It will be fun to see what happens today. Yesterday was... interesting.
A few thoughts, on the positive side, from someone who hasn't hesitated to be critical in the past:
-those complaining about waiting 20 years and then having to cough up 600 bucks to get the full experience on Blu-Ray:
so, if this set had been introduced in, say, 1965 and Neil had decided that it had to be in stereo, you would think you'd been ripped off because you had to buy something new to play it on? Like when Ford introduced the Model-T you would have been pissed that they didn't just build a better horse? And it's not just the fidelity, it's the ability to have a dynamic archive that (for free) is refreshed and expanded through the years. So you would have preferred that Neil ignore this technology and just produce the DVD or CD set? I understand the frustration if you can't afford the Blu-Ray, but get over it. You can't afford a BMW either, but you manage to get to work. There is simply no way Neil could have provided the optimal experience without Blu-Ray technology.
-For those complaining about having to re-purchase the live albums. I've come about 180 degrees on this issue, or maybe 150 degrees. It's certainly not greed. Neil could easily have chosen other concerts for the archive and sold Fillmore, Massey, etc. as standalones. Also, how do you know you're paying for the concerts again, simply because they're included in the Archive? There is no precedent for the scope of this project so, consequently, there is no precedent for the pricing. At, say, the roughly $275 retail price, you're paying for 10 Blu-Rays. Current prices for the top Blu-Rays on Amazon are $25, so there's $250 in value alone. Let's say we subtract the Fillmore and Massey discs, so the Blu- Ray value is now $200. So, for another $75 you get the book, the packaging, the BD-live capability, and the free MP3s (OK, I know they're not out yet, but they will be.) At Itunes prices the MP3s alone would be $125.
The point being - the set would be worth way more than $275 without the Massey and Fillmore discs, so you're not paying for them again. You're getting them again.
Finally, for those who are desperate for MP3s - the Zune marketplace (if you're one of the three people who own a Zune) has a free 14 day trial period. Rhapsody used to have a free trial period, too, so you might check those out while you're waiting.
Have a great day.
I live in the UK. If I buy the a US copy of NYA on Blu-Ray, I know that the actual discs will work because you've already said they are region-free. But are the MP3 downloads region locked? I ask because US Blu-Ray movies that have a digital copy, don't work in the UK - they are blocked by I-Tunes...
Cheers
Archives Guy,
When I first downloaded information I had 3 or 4 Blue Pins with stuff when I clicked on them now I only have one blue pin- "I Wonder" 1965.
Is this a problem or have I done something wrong
Thanks for your help
Graham.
"But are the MP3 downloads region locked?"
The MP3's do not have region encoding. You'll have no problem with them should they ever be made available.
I won't be getting the blu-ray, but am considering the DVDs. Can anyone here make a list of what is on the individual DVDs that is not on the corresponding CDs.
Thanks!
Please give the Archives Guy a day off. He has been very busy and helpfull for the last couple of weeks. Thanks again AG!!!!!
And now... bring on The Customer Service Guy.
bsm
Hi Archives Guy
It mentions in the Q&A on the Archives site that the first 4 albums are going to be released on blue-ray.
1.Has a release date been decided on yet?
2.Will there be any "extra's" on there that aren't on the archives
(for example the BBC performance would be a great extra for the Harvest Blu-Ray)
3.Will the packaging/artwork be in the same style as the archives and will they fit in the compartment in the archives box?
Sorry for so many questions but it's an exciting time to be a Neil fan.
Thanks
Simon,UK
Did anyone else have writing on the pad which was included with the Blu-Ray set? There was a handwritten sentence in pencil (from Neil...?)
I'd appreciate some guidance on what size external memory would be appropriate for the forthcoming BD Live updates. My sony BDP-S550 came with a 1gb memory stick, but I am guessing this is not going to last very long if there are going to be lots of updates in the years ahead.
Thanks in advance
Stevie
Back in Canada I spent my days
waiting for the box through a haze
I was hanbdcuffed I was born and raised
Box, don't be home to late
Try to be home by eight
Box, Don't wait till the break of day.
Cause you know how time fades away.
Ran into an issue with the 160gb PS3 and my system (Onkyo 606 with full 1.3 HDMI switching to an older Westinghouse 1080P 42" monitor, no tv tuner onboard). When the disc first loaded and the screen came up to download the new content, the background image didn't load, so I could see the navigation elements (checkmarks on that screen) but couldn't tell what they pointed to because there was no picture. There were only like 4 options so I just tried them all and now know which spot gets the download to start, but wondering if anyone else had an issue with screens not loading.
This also happened a couple times when I skipped to the timeline and the first screen didn't load the background image so didn't "see" the timeline, but could jump to the back/forward options and move along the timeline and as soon as I did that the background picture (ie. the actual timeline) came up fine. Almost like the blu ray needed a refresh button, like a website.
Going to try hooking it directly to the TV and take the HDMI switching from the receiver out of the equation. the older TV definitely has trouble locking onto and displaying the different menu screens when switching between them, but that's a sync problem. The main issue I described seems like a disc load or display error.
Oh, and the Post Informer didn't seem to get delivered to my blu ray like it said on the Archives website.
BTW started with disc 1 only because I spaced that the set started with disc 0.
Just happy to have my little box at the top of the stairs...
I purchased the CD set yesterday and most of the discs were wedged so far inside the sleeve, or stuck to the glue, that when I took them out (as carefully as I could!) they each had a little mark on them. Disc 8 has a very big mark on it but fortunately I was able to rip all the files. I don't want a refund/exchange and I don't expect AG to do anything, but I just want it to be known that there's more than one person with this problem. I don't know why Neil likes these sleeves (maybe they remind him of LPs?) but I think most people would much prefer jewel cases or digipaks. Other than that the discs sound fantastic!
Sam
Picked up NYA1 at Borders for $199 (DVD) yestersay and just wanted to say its fantastic........sound quality is exceptional even through my old Kenwood amp and Advent Legacy speakers purchased in late 80's (I cant afford a whole new set up for Blu-Ray --TV, amp, PS3 etc). Want to thank AG for all his help given to Neil's fan. JTTP was fantastic for a first time viewer of the movie ---I know how most of my free time will be spent this summer. If you are feeling the pressure of the recession, you don't need to upgrade your whole system --get the DVD and you will not be disappointed. Thanks again Thrasher for all the info given on this site.
Hi guys.
Im waiting for my copy to arrive (im in the uk) do we know if all of the versions (im getting blu ray) come with the Canterbury Hall disc in the stash box or is it just for certain outlets like Neils site?
Don't know if this is old news, but the official NY Archives site appears to be up and running now w/Q&A, facts, etc. ...
Neil Young Archives site.
lovekaren
Hello,
Not ignoring your questions yesterday, just busy.
Today will be similar.
Topic 1- MP3 downloads. This is being worked on and hopefully the download page will be live soon.
What I find interesting about the reaction to all of this is that people have in their hands a beautiful box set with high res audio and instead of enjoying it and getting immersed, as it was meant to be heard, all they can focus on is that they can't IMMEDIATELY gain access to something as crappy as MP3s.
Remember that the MP3 files were an afterthought, something as a free, bonus. Neil himself has said thy are free with the set because they aren't really worth anything.
If you bought a box of cereal that had a free mp3 download in it, opened the box to find that that freebie wasn't IMMEDIATELY available, would it destroy your world? Especially f you had been told that it would be valid soon?
Be patient people, relax, listen to some Archives music, look at the book for a minute or two. This will all be resolved soon.
Yesterday was like my Birthday, Christmas, 4th of July, etc., all rolled into one!!!
I received my DVD set from Warners, and I purchased the CD set from a local store. I paid a lot of money for "Rush" shipment for the DVD set, and that is why I believe I received it on THE DAY!
I told my family that I would see them in "about 3 weeks"!!!
Like a child on Christmas morning, all I could do was just stare at the boxes, and gleefully exclaim, "Where do I begin?"
So I began at the beginning with the first CD. I really enjoyed reading along with the booklet.
The sound quality of the CD was greater than anything I had ever heard before. I can't wait till I'm able to get the Blu-Ray set and get the full audio! WOW!!!!
I sure love Neil, and am so grateful that he just gave all of this to enjoy!
All I can say is a big "Thank You" to Neil and the entire Archives Team for their labor of love. For the first time, I have enough to satisfy me "for a while."
Yes, it was worth the wait!!!!!
I also want to extend a big "Thank You" to Thrasher for making the waiting bearable. I really LOVED the "Hell Freezes Over" countdown!
I'm also looking forward to finally getting to see "Don't Be Denied" tonight on my PBS station (8PM, Channel 13, for the NYC area).
Also looking forward to Jonathan's Demme's "Neil Young Trunk Show," and then Volume 2 of the Archives(if there isn't a new CD from Neil first)!!!!!
So much to be thankful for!
Marian M.
Graham-
There is only one BD-Live download available right now.
Those extra blue pins that you saw temporarily over the weekend (before release date) were part of our testing and shakedown as we prepped for June 2nd.
More BD-Live will be coming....fret not.
i just want to go on record that i have not once complained about the mp3's not being available yet and i was the one who bitched the loudest about needing to have my NYAIP (neil young archives ipod). and god knows i am like a little girl who couldn't wait most of the time. but i will wait. and so will we all, of course, we have no choice.
but AG, i think that everyone IS overwhelmed, and everyone i know who has received this AMAZING box wants nothing more than to retreat from life and sit in a dark room with it forever. i personally have a sore neck from sleeping with it under my pillow last night. BUT. people have to go out, to work, etc., and want to take the archives with them, crappy mp3 version or not. i think that is what you are hearing, not really complaining so much but a desire to have it with them wherever they go, starting RIGHT NOW. you know? there's no one here (including NYAIP me) who would prefer to have it that way. i think i can safely say that we would ALL prefer to be in a dark room with this box forever. but short of that, we want to take it with us. that's all. did i say the same thing enough times? you know what i mean.
we are all delighted, thrilled, overwhelmed, eager, enthusiastic, in awe, amazed. it's a very very big day/time for you guys, and congrats, and for ny, but it is also a big day for us. we're very excited! if we didn't care, we wouldn't care. ya know?
lovekaren
Hi AG,
Was at my friends last night watching the Archives. He has a Sharp Aquos Blu-Ray that he bought less than a year ago and it wouldn't load the 'Play All', 'Song Selection' etc tabs on the main menu. This happened on multiple discs. The BG image was there and when we figured out that the tabs were 'invisible' we managed to navigate around but I know we should be able to see these tabs for easier navigation. He checked the Sharp site for Firmware updates and it says there are no new ones for his player. Any ideas?
SH
Being Patient but...
Hey A.G. you are very accomadating but when we are still waiting because WB can't deliver orders from March 23, that were ordered through Neil's site it's very frustrating.
Anon with Sharp BD player
Please tell me what model player this is.
Is it a Profile 2.0 player? Has an ethernet port?
telegram for crackle, via archives guy:
dear crackle stop no feed here stop please unearth bpmm soonest stop lv missing her friends stop love stop karen stop
Archives Guy -
in which way do the newly released remastered versions of the first four albums sound different from the old ones?
Is the difference audible in the mp3's from itunes?
thanks.
tom i have them on my ipod and will listen to them later today; i'll report back! : )
lovekaren
the remaster of Neil Young sounds great! get it at amazon for a dollar cheaper. my only complaint is that Tulsa is still in stereo with neil's voice buried deep in the right speaker. other than that, the levels are all even etc.
Thanks Karen!
People, check out this blu-ray demo from the german warner website:
http://www.my-artist.net/neilyoung/news/neil-young-archives-vol.-1-blu-ray-demo-video
AG
"Remember that the MP3 files were an afterthought, something as a free, bonus. Neil himself has said thy are free with the set because they aren't really worth anything."
Hmmmmm......seems like they worth about $80 on iTunes. Aren't you guys getting a cut of that?
Just a couple of comments;
1.) When are we going to see Volume Two!!!!!!! How long must we wait, I am a consumer, I need more stuff NOW - can't anyone else see that purchasing Volume One was the important part, enjoying the music and book is secondary or tertiary. I must have the next set NOW. FEED ME!!!!!!
2.) The book in Volume One is one of the finest insights into the music and to some degree, the man and his perspective. A voyeurs glimpse of how the music got to the place it is today. Exceptional.
3.) Big thanks to the entire team that assembled this set, it is overwhelming in most regards, the level of detail, the artwork involved, everything...
4.) The Wings will bounce back in game four, no question!
Hey all,
Mon. June 1st.Woke up. Went to work.Went to my PO box after work.No Archives :(.Tues. June 2nd.Woke up. Went to work.Went to my PO box after work.....THE ARCHIVES HAD ARRIVED!!!:)!And in the words of that great Bard and Sage of my generation.Homer J Simpson.And yelled... WWWOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!THANK YOU!THANK YOU NEIL!!!!AND ALL THOSE WHO HELPED HIM MAKE THIS POSSIBLE!!!First I took a trip to The Riverboat.And it was good.Next stop.JTTP.One word comes to mind about the book.LAVISH.Man that thing's sweet.Thanks again to Neil and the gang.
The Mugwump
AG,
Small point, but is it possible that Neil wrote on my little pad? I almost wet myself when I saw it...
All the pads have the writing on it, it is a reproduction of a note that Neil wrote on the Whisky a Go Go pad back when the Buffalo played a residency there, I believe. You can see the original in the Archives memorabilia section.
If you check outthe photos in the book you'll see the same pad with the same writing on it...just a copy from Neil's hand a long time past. Still sweet!
Bob
Archives Guy,
First, thanks to you and Neil, this set is awesome. I went for the Blu-Ray and it is incredible!
I know alot of posts have been complaints about MP3's, etc which I find hilarious since this is such high-quality stuff, why play MP3s? But anyway I have a technical question which I understand is what you are here for. I posted this last night but I am afraid you may have missed it. Short version: I get no bass through the subwoofer using component audio hookup, I get bass using optical but you taught me through this forum that component is way better quality so that is what I want! I know I have the speaker settings correct (speakers = small, subwoofer = yes) on the receiver and the Blu-Ray player (brand new Samsung 3600). When I use the speaker test feature I do hear some sound through the subwoofer at the proper time but it is WAY too low and way lower than all the other speakers. And yes I have the volume on the subwoofer (the physical knob itself) turned all the way up.
Please help!
Thank you
Doug Allentown
Mr. Allentown,
I think that is a limitation of the home setup. I am sure when once you play it in your car system it should clear right up....Hilarious.
Doug,
I would disable your sub woofer whilst listening to Archives. In my opinion the only way to listen is via your stereo analogue outputs.
Here in the UK the wait continues with the release next Monday. I am so envious of you folks.
Hi AG,
Re: SHARP AQUOS player.
Not sure what kind it is, sorry but I know it is less than a year old. I'll get my friend to check on type, however I know there is no ethernet port. He has to download his updates with a flash drive and install from that. It was weird. Everything worked quite well except that the tabs at the bottom of the Main Menus weren't showing at all on at least 3 of the discs. They did show on one of the Topanga discs though...
SH
Sorry for 2 posts. My friend says it is a SHARP AQUOS BDHP20U model.
SH
Hey AG,
Amazon has "remastered" CDs of the first four albums available June 16th. Are these the first official releases in the Neil Young Original Release Series? And if so, aside from sound quality, do they differ from the previous releases in any way (packaging, liner notes, etc?)
Thanks kindly.
Well i went with the cds which soubnd great and the dvd which sound awesome what a great package the book an stash box are outstanding now just havt to figure out how to access the hidden tracks
Carson,
Can you post the Amazon link please?
Thanks.
Rob.
Jeez, Warner Brothers is killing me!
What a tease.
Got the Blu-ray box today, and there are 16 pages missing from the book, while another 16 pages are repeated. I don't even have a Blu-ray player, so this is the only part of the package I can enjoy, besides the MP3 card.
Perhaps the worst part is that I have to send the whole package back (including the Squires single, which I can also play!)for a replacement! Opting for rush shipping has proved to be worthless!
Also must note that I stood there and watched (just to ease my mind) while a friend who owns a local record store placed his order for the Blu-ray, DVD, and CD versions two months ago...only to be informed by him last Friday that Warner Brothers had erroneously cancelled his order, oversold the thing, and would not be sending him any copies.
While I'm bummed, he is livid!
Rob,
I found the Amazon links on the Canadian site:
After the Gold Rush - http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B001VZY4M8/ref=s9_sdps_gw_s0_p15_i1?pf_rd_m=A3DWYIK6Y9EEQB&pf_rd_s=center-1&pf_rd_r=0VCTM330WX7AD6E3EH3P&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=465532811&pf_rd_i=915398
Harvest -
http://www.amazon.ca/Harvest-Rm-Neil-Young/dp/B001VZY4LY/ref=pd_bxgy_m_img_b
They are all there, just click around.
My other question in regards to these releases (apologies if this has been asked before):
Will the Blu-Ray remasters of these albums be in the same Archives format, with hidden features and video clips different than the ones on the Archives? In other words, is there any reason to go with the Blu-Ray over the CD (sound quality aside)? On that note, will the Blu-Ray versions come with digital downloads of songs not on the Archives? (The Losing End, Out on the Weekend etc.)
Thanks so much AG, sorry to bombard you with even more questions from curious fans.
Sharp BD player-
I'm sorry to say that this player will not perform well with the Archives set. Don't know if you have been following the threads over the past few months but one pretty much needs to have a newer, Profile 2.0 player to be successful.
Our tests on the player in question:
Sharp BD-HP20 v. HU8100900 (P. 1.0)
- Main Menu loads, no visible buttons, navigation is still possible
Karen-
Will be seeing your buddies in an hour or so and shall pass on message.
Anon with book question.
send your contact info to Thrasher and I'll contact you to fix this.
bye for now...back later
-Archives Guy
Cool, I found it on Amazon in France: June 15
http://www.amazon.fr/Harvest-Neil-
Young/dp/B001VZY4LY/ref=sr_1_3?
ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1244049967&sr=8-3
BSM
Dang. I'll break my friend the news that his SHARP player sucks... I guess I'm going to have to shell out for the PS3. Hopefully the price drop comes this week from E3.
Thanks for your attention to this. You guys have been amazing with your testing and help with all things tech.
Enjoy your dirt!
SH
hello
does anyone know what happened to the 7" we were receiving as part of the set?
did i miss it in the box
or is it coming later?
was it just applicable to ordering thru warners (which i did)
thanks!
nick
After The Goldrush
Audio CD (Jun 16 2009)
This title will be released on June 16, 2009.
Re: 7"
My copy was at the bottom of the CARTON (not the NYA box). Be careful to not throw it out.
Hi Thrasher, There's this beautiful new press picture on this German site somebody posted earlier. Check it out. It's the same picture as on the back cover of "the North Country".
http://www.my-artist.net/neilyoung/fotos/Neil-Young
-Pressefoto-2009-03.jpg
BecauseSoundMatters
The whole MP3 complaint made me think of a Simpson's Quote as well.
Moe gets a Huge Deep Frier, says to Homer; "I can deep fry a Water Buffalo in 47 Seconds with this thing!" Homer replies....."Oooooh, but I want it now!".
LIVE RUST
I just got the free download with my Blu-Ray set, and I HATE to be the complainer, but....are you serious? The tagging is HORRIBLE (i.e., when I throw it into iTunes, it doesn't even have a artist name, not to mention no album names (i.e. disc 0, 1, etc)) and best of all IT DOESN'T EVEN HAVE ALL THE SONGS! Is there some large mistake that will be fixed with these?!? They sound fine, but I really need all the songs and good tagging should be included too.
This is a huge mistake!
Has anyone is Canada received their order yet. Ordered from neilyoung.com
sad and lonely
Syscrusher
As of 12:38pm June 3rd here in Abbotsford, BC Canada....no Archives :o(
LIVE RUST
As of 21:45pm June 3rd here in Amsterdam, The Netherlands....no Archives (ordered from neilyoung.com)
CHAD-
You have every right to complain.
We have had access to the downloads temporarily halted to fix this problem. This should have never gone live, even for the short time it did today.
The naming and file organization is wrong and tracks are missing.
Contact me thru Trasher and I'll fix this for you.
Sorry, that should be 9:45pm
Hey AG...Wow...This is the best box I've looked at for a long long time!
Dr drippy
bought cd version of archives at a Best Buy in Houston - 3 of the discs were the dvd versions! anyone else?
Got 8 compact discs in my set. Would have loved the DVD's. Isn't Old Neil playing in Nantes (France) right now?
Note to everyone who ordered Blu-Ray on Amazon......
the price dropped $ 37 from what the price was when I ordered it.
Because mine didnt ship yet,they are giving me $ 37 refund ( I had to contact customer service).So if you ordered from Amazon at $ 275 or higher and didnt receive it yet,you can get a refund on the price difference from the new price of $ 238.
I ordered from NY.com as well and I am in Canada but I do remember seeing "standard delivery" which I understand should take a week or so. I ordered May 19th, and received an e-mail from Warner stating that they had shipped on June 1st. So I'll be waiting for you..........
Hi all, very jealous of the people who have got archives already, here in the uk we're still waiting.. but did recieve email today from warners:
Dear Stephen Routledge,
Thank you for shopping with WARNER BROS. / NONESUCH / Neil Young.
We have shipped your order for the following: 1 Archives Vol. 1
Neil Young
Blu-Ray
yipeeeeeeeee!
now all i have to do is wait, we've wait over 20 odd years for this thing.. whats a few days more??
cheers guys
You'll never walk alone!
Anyone have a link to buy the Blu-Ray on Amazon for $238? It's showing up at $279.99 for me.
Also, these two questions from the new FAQ seem to contradict each other - am I missing something?
Q- Do I need to be connected to the Internet to listen to BD-Live content I've already downloaded?
A- No internet needed after download. The files now live on your player's hard drive and can be accessed by inserting a NYA disc.
Q- On my PS3 when I unplug the ethernet cable, I can no longer access my BD Live download. It appears again after I re-connect the internet. Why does this happen?
A- You need to keep connected to the internet. This can be accomplished either via the Ethernet cable or in the case of the PS3 player, via wifi.
Our tech team relates the following:
The application isn't designed to cache information about BD-Live content locally, so if the player is disconnected the content will still be on the player, but it won't know what the current pin configuration is, and won't show the content in the User Interface.
Once the player is connected again, the viewer will be able to see the content without needing to re-download it."
Looks like all us Canucks are in the same boat. Time fades away
For GLUE issues:
Removing glue from CDs is simple and easy. If a klutz like me can do this, you can too.
Get a little isopropyl alcohol (rubbing alcohol) and a non-abrasive cloth. (Toilet paper is okay but do NOT use a paper towel.) Wet the cloth with the alcohol and rub the spot GENTLY, circular motion. In about 30 second the glue will come right off.
I did this to the 3 CDs that had a bit of glue. Glue is now gone and they play fine.
-- David
I bought the cd set here in Rome and got BR instead of cds... now what?!
The MP3 downloads are scheduled to be available tomorrow, June 4th after 5pm PST.
thanks for your patience.
We have had a special customer service number established for the Archives set.
toll free (866-430-6230
For best service, call it rather than the usual Warners Customer Service.
Here to help you
-Archives Guy
The Amazon.ca site also states the Fork In The Road Blu-ray will be released next Tuesday?
Any truth to this AG?
When will the FITR Blu-ray and Remasters be sold?
Thanks
Can anyone tell me how to access the hidden tracks on the DVDs? I was able to get them from timeline on Disc 1, but not on disc 0 or Disc 2.
I bought the cd set here in Rome and got BR instead of cds... now what?!
Go get yourself a PS3 and have yourself a party.
Seriously
AG:
This may have been addressed, but honestly there are so many Archives threads now, that finding exact answers is tough.
I don't plan on buying the archives until later in the year (after I've upgraded my entire system), and I realize that the BD-live downloads will be available on the servers for as long as I can imagine.
However, I recall some comment about other items that would only be available "in the moment", not songs but other such items. Is this still the plan, or will everything associated with the NYA BD-Live downloads be available no matter how long I wait (gotta feed the family first).
Neal Burgess
richflynn-
there are no Hidden Tracks on the Timeline for any disc. Those white pins that you found are regular content on the disc.
Keep looking....it's really not that difficult and once you've found one you'll know how to find them all.
Let me now when you find the studio control room tape from the string session for Emperor Of Wyoming on disc 2.
-Archives Guy
Looking ahead to the soooo desired set of MP3 files, here is some information.
These will be 320kbps files that you can download as a batch or individually.
My batch test today clocked in at about 45 minutes for the 116 tracks on a pretty standard household level DSL line.
-Archives Guy
AG,
Are you ignoring my question? I have asked a couple of times why I only am getting bass using optical input into my receiver but not when I use component audio. That's right there is little to no sound coming from my subwoofer unless I use optical connection which you said is not as good as component (I don't have HDMI except for the video).
I really want to get this right and I just bought the Samsung 3600 yesterday so I could play Archives! Please help!
Welll, it's been a long wait (years) and I am occupying my time reading the archives thread, mailman has been and gone here in Seattle, and no Warner Brother's package yet. But after reading a few posts, I may take my chances, go down to the local store, and pick up the cd version and hope for the blu ray inside??
I'm having all sorts of issues with my PS3 and Onkyo TX-SR705. My PS3 is connected via HDMI to the receiver. I can verify on the PS3 display menu that I'm sending out a 24/192 signal. The reciever typically defaults to multichannel for my BDs, which in turn passes through to whatever signal is being passed over. So a DTS-HD Master is actually output in DTS-HD Master. Likewise with Archives, it defaults to 2-channel stereo linear PCM in 192kHz. Everything sounds great...once the song starts.
However, when using the file cabinet and listening to tracks on Archives, the reciever takes a few seconds in between each song to determine what type of signal is being sent over, which results in a loud clicking noise as it shifts from 2-channel stereo - reading next track info - back to 2-channel stereo. The same thing happens if I'm listen to a song and then select a video clip.
Highly irratating and it ruins the 'album' feel. I'm hoping I can tweak a setting to force a 2-channel stereo setting all the time.
Also, I've run into at least one instance on Disk 0 and 1 respectively where I've gone from listening to a track via the file cabinet (and playing around in the menus) but when that song ends and I go to the next song using the on screen arrow, I get 'HDMI-no signal' showing up on the receiver and no sound. The only way to get audio for that song is to back all the way out to the main menu and to start over, selecting it directly from the file cabinet. Again, not all the time, but occasionaly.
Non-important footnote: Why the lack of consistency in not having the main menu's audio in 192kHz?
AG- One minor correction to your FAQ. 1/2 of the BD disks are single layer and 1/2 are dual layer.
The Duals are all 3 Topangas, Massey Hall and North Country. I can't for the life of me figure out why Topanga2 needed to be Dual Layer....From a content perspective it seems pretty similar in scope to Disk0 and Disk1...not massive amounts of video...unless I am missing something big and fun:-)
LRR
ps. Thanks for including my questions :-)
Doug Allentown-
Sorry I lost your question in the long string.
Hmm....doesn't make a lot of sense. there has to be something about how your system is wired/set up that is causing this. Without being there and looking at your receiver, cabling and speakers there isn't much I can do.
Is this a powered subwoofer?
If you play other source material such as a CD out of your Blu-ray player, does it also lack low end?
Are you using a home theater receiver with lots f different digital and analog in/outs?
My guess is that there is a plumbing issue here.
Strip-
Is this a Panasonic Blu-ray player? It is the only player that we've experienced a clicking with....and there is an easy solution.
Menu audio? A very astute question.
Two answers-
1- some of source material (such as outdoor ambience, street sounds) was not recorded at such a high sample rate as 192. To bump it up to 192 wouldn't have added any better sound and would have only wasted disc space due to a larger sound file.
2- the menus were created for DVD before we had BD, so there was no 192 for the sound designer to work with. Again, real estate was a consideration.
Doonerak-
Good questions,as usual.
Topanga 1 just went over the edge size wise and needed a dual layer.
AG,
I emailed Thrasher in attempt to reach you in regards to the faulty mp3s I downloaded today, and I haven't heard back yet, but the wheels are moving. Hope we can get this fixed. Thanks SO much for all your help. Hope to hear from ya soon.
Thanks for the quick response, but nope, I have a PS3 not a Panasonic and I've got the latest firmware.
I completely understand the menu audio choices and can appreciate the reasons.
Thanks again.
Is Johnny Rocket! moonlighting at Paste Magazine?
OUCH
http://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2009/06/neil-young-archives-vol-1-1963-1972.html
Andy Whitman
on June 3, 2009
Everybody knows this is a scam
"Cough up the bucks,” Neil Young sings on his latest album Fork in the Road, which is exactly what you have to do to purchase his mammoth, 10-disc Archives Vol. 1 (1963-1972). The DVD version will set you back $200; the Blu-ray version $300. So much for free love, or free anything.
For more than 20 years, Young has promised that this music would eventually be made available. Like Bob Dylan and Van Morrison, he’s left entire albums in the vault, and has played dozens of tantalizing songs in concert that have never been released. Archives Vol. 1 (1963-1972) is the first in what promises to be a series of exhaustive (and perhaps exhausting) box sets that chronicles a musical legacy stretching back almost 50 years.
Longtime fans have been salivating at the prospect for a long, long time, but the payoff is disappointing. Billed as something of a multimedia breakthrough, the 10 discs here present good—and often great—music paired with sub-standard video content. Unreleased tracks? They’re here, although in disappointing quantity and quality.
Strip-
reread your post...missed that it was PS3.
There has to be something in your setup to adjust to get rid of the switching that you describe going on in your receiver.
HDMI cable issue? I dunno .
Hi AG
Thanks for droppin' by the Hoffman forum - good to have you there.
Congrats on a stunning package - in particular: "Expecting to Fly" (INCREDIBLE).
Q: I'm having a glitch with my antique BD player - Sony BDP S300 (yea, look away, only 1.0)
When navigating a timeline, making a selection will occasionally cause the sound to drop out. Known issue?
(Also, how the heck do you get to 'Emperor of Wyoming'?)
... or am I simply SOL with the 1.0 player?
Has any timeline for the next volume been given?
I know this first one has been a long time coming, and I don't want to seem overly greedy, but I think the next 10 years of his career are going to be soooooo innarestin and filled with an unbelievable amount of unreleased content.
Now that the format and technology has been defined and successfully implemented, I was wondering if there is a chance that part of the 20 year wait for the first box set was just waiting for this technology (BluRay, Sound, and Java) and that while waiting for the technology Bernstein and team were gathering and assembling the rest of the volumes.
Got my Archives in the mail on Monday afternoon and I've been going through all the discs the last couple of days. Simply amazing and well worth the money. Now I just have to wait until tomorrow so I can use my download card to get all the songs. And I don't care what critics say, I like Journey Through The Past.
Dear Archives Guy:
I ordered the Archives DVD set from Amazon and received it today. Unfortunately, disc 2 and disc 8 were CD's instead of DVD's. I have contacted Amazon to see what they will do to make this right. I noticed other people have had similar mix ups. Just wanted you to know there seems to be a quality control problem with these sets. I know you are not quality control, just my frustration needing a venting. I was very impressed with the overall package, and I hope Amazon will make it right for me. Thank you for all of your help, advice, and information regarding the Archives.
If Amazon will not help me, will I be able to order another DVD set through neilyoung.com? Many thanks.
rallen111 from Iowa
I was able to figure out what settings I needed to change on my receiver in order to get rid of the 'clicking' noise when changing between songs when using the file cabinet.
There's an listening mode preset on my receiver for "Multichannel PCM" (it was set to multichannel but needed to be set to stereo) and there's a listening mode preset for "Analog/PCM" which was already set to stereo.
From what signals were displayed on the receiver, the menu's on Archives are coming over as Multichannel PCM but the tracks are just PCM. Anytime the receiver switched between the two sound fields, I would hear an audible click. Now that I have them both defaulted to the same settings, the problem is gone. WHEW!
Unprecedented set!
One question: when viewing/listening to individual tracks in the File Cabinet, is anyone else having an issue with the first 1 or 2 seconds of music being cut off? Does not occur during the Playall function.
Thanks!
Strip,
Thanks a bunch - I've been using my PS3 and Onkyo receiver for a year now and suffered from the same issue - it's not limited to the Archives. I'll need to follow your advice (not tonight though).
Archives Guy, I hope you realize that much of the pining for additional stuff on the forums is just a reflection of how the envelope of people's expectations of things that can be offered and delivered by media such as the Archives have been expanded. The needs of people are limitless, and now that we've seen the stuff we can get, there's no end to the things we hunger for.
The choice of 320kpbs for the MP3s is great. At home I've spent and will spend hours delving into the blu-rays and their highdef sound, but I'll use the downloads to burn CD's for my car, and to take some of the stuff up to the Arctic Circle on my iPhone next week (there's no way I'll be able to get through it all before then). I guess asking for FLAC / Apple Lossless is pushing it, but consider this - I believe John Cougar Mellencamp provided high res files of the songs on his new CD with the CD itself. Neil and John could trade some ideas at the next Farm Aid...
Another question (I'm SURE this has been answered, but there are now so many threads) - does it matter which disc you insert into the PS3, or do you always get offered all the new downloads? I assume the latter - I wouldn't want to cycle all 10 discs just to see if there are new songs for that particular segment of the timeline.
Again, thanks for this incredible set. It's slightly embarassing - I came home at lunch yesterday at the pretense of picking up sushi for my coworkers to check if the set had arrived. Today I took it to work, closed to door, and fiddled with it (no blu-ray at work).
Hi Archives Guy:
I'm really wanting to go the BD way for NYA. However, upgrading my "home theater" system is not really an option for me presently. However, it is very likely that I'll be upgrading my PC and would consider getting one with with a BR player. Any advice, thoughts, etc. on this would be greatly appreciated. Thanks and keep up the great work.
It's here! It's here! It's here! Of course the one day UPS decides to deliver at 7:45PM instead of their usual 11:00AM, but hey... I have the set and wow. It's just amazing. As someone obsessed with Japanese Mini LPs, I see a ton of great packaging, but this is just something else. Seriously great. And the sound. "Out of My Mind" just sounds beyond belief. I'm barely into Disc 1. Thanks to AG and everyone else for this. The 192 on the Blu Ray is like hearing all these songs again.
LOL Sounds like an incredible pain in the ass! People are earning their master's in electronic engineering & computer science just to be a able to listen to the thing. That's if they were sent the right thing to begin with. Looks like this was all slapped together in a hurry. wtf?
Not to mention you have to have the latest blue-ray, models from a year ago won't work right? That is so messed up.
Hey AG -
The Sea Of Madness – from the original soundtrack album Woodstock........is it true that this recording is actually from the Fillmore East a month later? (not sure why Neil would describe it as the version from the original soundtrack versus Fillmore East xx-xx-1969?)
One more question if I may....is there any way of downloading the mp3s if you haven't received your Archives yet? (ordered Blu-Ray from neilyoung.com). No complaints, but am getting exicted to listen to some Neil stuff.
WELD (Vancouver, BC - Canada)
I'm having a hell of a time trying to find some of these hidden tracks. Anyone have any hints? On Disc 00 I couldn't find the mono "I Wonder" anywhere and on Disc 01 I couldn't find the mono "Flying on the Ground." I know the technique for finding some of the hidden tracks like the "Clancy" on Disc 00... I thought AG said that they were all the same method... hmmmm. confused.
I have a LG BD370. Topanga 2 and North Country works 100%, but I have a problem with Topanga 1, 3 and The Early Years discs. Whenever I try to pick songs from the file cabinet the screen goes blank and i have to pull the players plug. I can play the songs in the play all -option, but lots of the extra stuff is located in the file cabinet, so this is a major problem.
Look at some of the Files...Documents/Photo's Tabs, something simple will point the way to hidden things.
Yuk!
As Neil might sing, "Why do i keep fucking up!"
This box set was obviously rushed to production, and major quality control issues exist.
1. The packaging is a nightmare, and people have no idea what they order is what they'll get.
2. The packaging is complex, and in extreme cases might be damaged with all the moving parts.
3. The MP3's aren't ready - how can this be?
4. Here's the worst part - with so much technology in play, there's no guarantee that your system can consistently play the BluRays. All i'm reading about is glitch after glitch after glitch.
This, my friends, is a perfect storm of NIGHTMARES! If you're paying $300-plus this should never be the case. Never.
I am simply going to sit back, wait for all the dust to settle (ie, better quality control, lower prices) before i dip into the deep end.
Cough Up The Bucks!
Johnny Rocket!
Hey Johnny,
If you have a glitch, this is the place to voice it.
Ever consider that that might lead to a lot of glitch comments on this page. That doesn't mean that it is common.
Plus, I thought you didn't even have a set. So what's your glitch.
Hello Archives Guy,
I'm looking forward for my Archives box. It's great job what you,Neil and the team has done.
Question: I ordered a dvd box by Warner Bros. If I buy me a BD player next week,is it possible to download the many extras from the internet and put them on the dvd timeline? I don't think so...........
Thanks for all and greetings from The Netherlands.
NEIL, KEEP ON ROCKING !!!! See you this week at the gig in Antwerp.
Guido
curly downunder here.. ive played the set consistently since friday..maybe 30 hours of neilarchives and still going.THIS SET IS UNBELEIVABLE...an acheivment that we have all been blessed by..its brilliant in more than one way..my question to archives guy is ..i see there are many gaps still misssing...from footage BBC..THE COMPLETE DANISH DOCO..which i love...the complete cellar door tapes-which the bit ive heard rates with his best eva show..the brilliant royal albert hall show)and the unreleased song/versions listed on the sessions...is there any plan to release more disc,s from this era?/or just the downloads here and there??id love to see the complete box sets..ie grateful dead style..of cellar dorr..riverbaot..canturbury house etc...im greedy..but the stuff is incredible....i bow to archives guy and admire you for work and effort..you are to be congradulated and acknowledged for this wonderous gift you have given us all..i bless thee
@ Darth Malt:
From the Onkyo receiver on-screen menu, go to #5 Listening Mode Preset, then change the defaults for the Multichannel PCM and Analog/PCM settings as I mentioned before.
I haven't watched anything other than Archives since I've made that change, but I have a feeling I'll have to change those settings each time I switch b/w Archives and blu-ray movies to avoid the problem.
There's also a great FAQ for the Onkyo at AVSForum. Check out Owner topic #21 for more info on setting the DSPs.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=935808
amazon again raised the price back up on Blu-ray. I guess they realized there's alot of orders not shipped yet and that therefore they'd have to refund everyone who asks the price difference..... so probably they will wait until the backlog is shipped out.... but hey, check every day, several times a day...thats how i found it.
Deepdiscount.com still has it $238 with free shipping.
They will also be having their bi-annual 20% sale "sometime" this summer.
The Archives - Bad Quality - whether you want it or not!
C'mon Johnathon, you're doin' this deliberately aren't you!
"I am simply going to sit back, wait for all the 'rust' to settle(i.e. better quality control,lower prices) before i DIP into the deep end"....Ya can't live with me...ya can't live without me!
Luv Drip shit
P.S. "Dipdiscount.com"..how ironic!
MY MY HEY Hey,
Thrash's deleting's here to stay!
I was only havin' a bit of fun with good ol'Johnny,Thrash.
Ok i'll get back in my kennel!
There was nothing derogatary,sexual ,abusive or political about my little ditty to John!
Like I said, I'm the least of your worries!
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